If the good cops stopped the bad cops you wouldn't be asking that question. Dimwit.

You really could have left off the Dimwit part, unnecessary.

Sure, which is why so much of it is under investigation. Where was the appearance that it may turn violent in front of St. John's church? It was abuse of the American people so trumpster could have a photo op in front of a church he has only been in 1 time. That action alone was proof that he was trying to disassemble the Constitution, there was no need to treat the protesters and the press with violence when they were already moving as asked. They had every right to be there until curfew, trump could care less about anyone's rights if there is a chance for a photo op. Yes, the actions by the U.S. Park Police were egregious, I don’t need to hire an attorney, Congress is already investigating what happened. DC National Guard has opened an investigation of its rotary aircraft. It is shameful that the American people were treated that way. There are plenty of members of his own party speaking out against him.

AG--nope, that simply does not fly. The U.S. Park Police, per their official statement said that they told the protesters THREE times to disperse. If the protesters fail to follow lawful commands, which that was, then they should have dispersed at command/warning ONE. The fact that the protesters fail to follow lawful commands helps support the premise behind (b). If the protesters/press don't follow lawful commands then yes law enforcement should disperse the protesters and the press with lawful riot control techniques. Courts of law will support the police's actions as reasonable because the protesters have a duty to comply with lawful commands.

Wow, be still my beating heart that Congress is already investigating what happened. Given that the legislative branch of this country is severely broken and unable to do anything, that should take what months to do what absolutely nothing.

You should consider yourself grateful that this isn't Europe where they don't give a care about protesters rights and you would have gotten a nice dousing from water cannons or excessive authorized force by riot police as they don't have the same operating procedures as we do.

Vol, And they lied. There are recording with audio that say other wise along with the Secret Service. Someone is trying to cover their butt. The fact is that they did follow commands, like it or not, please inform yourself on the matter, watch the videos, read the reports, before you defend the park police, just because they are police. Of course, it is being investigated, trump chose DC because they don’t have a governor that could say NO to him. Congress has a duty to investigate these things, that doesn’t make it broken, it means they are doing their job, protecting the freedoms of the citizens. There are also law suits starting. Generals speaking out. They never speak out because they are impartial, but they fear that this is leading to the end of the US as we know it. Please don’t try to trivialize hat is happening into cops being right or wrong. In Europe they are protesting in solidarity and this type of thing is not happeneing to their protesters, your statement is moot. London, Thousands of people marched through London on Sunday to support demonstrations across the US in response to the Minneapolis death of George Floyd. In Germany, hundreds took to the streets carrying signs saying, "Who Do You Call When Police Murder?" and "Silence is Violence," The EU's top diplomat has described the death of George Floyd as an abuse of power. Maybe we should be in Europe, they are getting treated much better that what is happening here.

Officers may ask you for your name, your address, and to see your ID. You do have the right to ask for the name and badge number of officers that you interact with. All Metropolitan Police officers in uniform below the rank of Inspector are required to have their collar numbers on display at all times. Try learning the law. If you can't tell the difference between a peaceful protester or a rioter than you have a deeper problem, good luck getting through life.

Pual that’s your problem right there in your first sentence. You are clueless about the protesters. There is a difference between the protesters and rioters. Now that the ACLU is suing trump for the attack on innocent American bystanders you will get to see much more footage. Including the 15ft high mounted camera from CBS that captured the whole thing. Maybe you should realize that it wasn’t the same people that were there day and night. But we know you, it’s all liberals, lump them together and place all the blame on them. Typical fascist ideology. How do you not want to disassemble the constitution if yu want to take away rights that are guaranteed in it??? Yes, they have a right to protest, freedom of speech. The city also has a right to place a curfew and those violators are the ones you should be angry with. But that would put you in a class with the liberals that are angry with them too, you wouldn’t ant that. There is nothing wrong with chanting and the protesters during the day didn’t do the rest. None of it is as reckless as you wanting to take away their guaranteed rights as an American.

first you should apologize for the flat earther conspiracy. Who wished sickness on anyone? Such a victim. Don't wait, we are in phase 1, social distancing is not required but recommended whenever possible. If they didn't obey the cops and go to areas designated you would complain about that too.

The good protester leave when curfew comes. It is not their job to stop rioters, it is up to authorities. Was that even a real question?

They can only comply when the orders are actually given, the Secret Service says that didn't happen.

Hendershot--very good point. [thumbup]

I agree, the police are mostly good, a few bad. Who is ignoring that? Luckily I can say I have never met a bad cop ans I think there are very few bad ones.

Clueless statement. They had a permit to be able to protest, the city gave them the locations to protest at. They can go after any and all of them after curfew.

Funny you missed them.

Are you from the hood? bet not. I earned my way to where I am and it still isn't much, ample but not a lot. You obviously know nothing about this article because you are focused on me. Please too much attentions and I'm shy. please stick to the article.

Where did you grow up?

Mr. Comment police, anything to make you happy, BTW any comment about the actual article or just policing the comments?

You put your lies out there AG.......expect to corrected.

Pual you spout lies all the time and never expect to be corrected, I told you if you think what I say is a lie let me know and I will tell you where I get the info. Is it just that you are so lazy you can't do that much? Attacking people is just sooooooooo much easier than getting the truth.

Cobra--wow, like to stereotype much. I hate to break it to you that there are people in this country who work hard/save/invest and make something of themselves without anybody's help. So, why should they share with others? This is a capitalist, free enterprise society not socialism/communism where the state distributes wealth across all. If you like that concept, there are other countries in the world that would welcome you. Da comrade?

Vol, get a grip. That’s his opinion and he is entitled to it, you are not policing the comment section. I hate to break it to you, all the BS about work hard/save/invest have nothing to do with what the conversation was about. It was about someone saying I was lying and me telling them to point it out and I could prove it because people in these sections have a point of making things up spreading their conspiracy theories with absolutely no proof and then calling me a liar. So what was you off the wall communist comment even about? Wealth distribution had nothing to do with it, and it doesn’t mean just handing out money.

I think you're selling yourself short... you've posted well over 19000 lies. Just over the past couple of weeks.

Tell me one than ace, I get facts, I can back it all up whereas you have lies gush from that hole in your head at a record rate and never anything to back it up.

Ace, you’re so deprived, didn’t you ever learn how to hold a civil conversation? Your mama sure did a lousy job. No I did not lie or be a hypocrite. Yes, I do worry about my health, but if you were a person with any empathy you would understand why I went. I felt that it was extremely important to do whatever I could after seeing the video, no matter what it was. I felt that I could not live with myself if I didn’t support them. Now your are LYING AGAIN, saying I , you support the burning and looting. You make up all these conspiracy theories about people you don’t know as if they are fact. No wander so many of your posts are cut.

go crack a mirror AG

I can't they are all destroyed from you looking in them.

Can’t even come up with your own joke.

Another example of liberals taking from others

pual, you need to widen your horizons. you are so focused. Liberal this liberals that. Good Lord, get a real life. that you don't see the real world. The world is not what you think it is and you are an actual living conspiracy theory.

The new rules, if you had read them say you have to wear a mask indoors and social distance when ever possible. Masks help you from spreading the virus. You want to give me a hard time about something I said you should at least get it right.

I don't care who they support in the protest. I met republicans, democrats, a religious group. That cause was not about politics it was about social injustice. But you fascist always think everything is about politics because that is what comes out of the trump dumpster. That was a pretty stupid attack on me because I hardly ever talk about social distancing, nope, masks yep. How's you ego, did you get a rush out of that? Do you feel superior now?

I hope you are self isolating after being at the rally. I guess all the experts saying they are so worried about these rallies are now wrong. As you know or maybe you don't masks are only effective if you stay 6 feet away from someone.

Not my opinion but the scientists.

Springer, I was and am again self isolating. I felt this was just too important and couldn't live with myself if I didn't do something. Also I didn't post at all Sunday because I was in DC, any other probably aren't there yet.

why not? everyone in here is anonymous. pretty ignorant remark.

"why not? everyone in here is anonymous. pretty ignorant remark". Wow AG that is some comeback. Your posts are hysterical in a most pathetic way

County, are you stupid? People attack all the time here because they are anonymous. Are you too ignorant to realize that?

AG- "County, are you stupid...blah blah blah". Nope, not stupid. Pointing out YOUR stupidity because it is actually NOT POSSIBLE to "personally" attack an anonymous person. Your reading comprehension is apparently inadequate. Again.

Guest, you just proved my point. Didn't you feel attacked? If not why the reply? DUH!

AG - lol. Just lol. Always have to be the last word with everything. It is amusing to see your responses all over LTM comments.

County, It is amusing that some people are so ignorant that they don’t have the knowledge to post about an article and post about the people commenting instead, LOL!!!

BLT brought up the antiChrist

Pual--if the protesters were ordered to disperse and they didn't and became hostile then the police were right to use both mounted units and tear gas to try to force the crowd to disperse.

Pual another one of your lies, got proof. Where is your proof?

Well they lied, because it was on every news station. Arlington County even pulled their cops out because of that action. youtube.com/watch?v=hblX9QwPDaw see for yourself. No one attacked them, especially the religious group they gassed.

A smoke bomb is not “gassing”.

Which peaceful protester threw the bottle at Bill Barr.

Keep lowering the bar and making excuses for the protesters......they contribute nothing but anarchy.

AG lie 20,005

Pual, it was me okay? Like a water bottle would do much. That is what you worry about when hundreds of peaceful protesters and reporters were pepper sprayed? Barr has enough padding to survive and the reason he was out there? To set up a photo op that did not go well for trump. One they lied about saying people resisted which the Secret Service denied.

AG--if it was you then you should turn yourself as that is a violation of law. You can do it at the Sheriff's station. Based upon hearing the official account, these peaceful protesters and reporters failed to follow lawful commands, at least 3 times, and thus were in violation and thus deserved what they go (pepper sprayed). Too bad we don't use water cannons on them then you would know that you should follow lawful commands. Also, in other countries, Europe is a good illustration, the failure to follow police command gives the police the unlimited right to use whatever means they have at their disposal to disperse the crowds. France's CRG does that quite frequently. Maybe we should procure water cannons for future demonstrations.

Barr personally ordered law enforcement officials to clear the streets around Lafayette Square just before President Trump spoke Monday, a Justice Department official said.

not true, go to nay major news network and look at their footage, as soon as the police started moving their arms directing them the crowd moved. So did the reporters they got it all on tape, even while being tear gassed. I don't care what rights you say they have because that is not what happened. Did they have the right to pull down someone's mask and spray tear gas in their face? Did they have the right to shoot non-lethal bullets into the crowd and bling someone?

AG, whether you like it or not that is the law. DC is under a State of Emergency and that declaration gives the police the authority/right to disperse groups of protesters who fail to follow lawful command by the incident commander. Period. You should be glad this is the USA, because in other countries, such as France, where law enforcement have the authorization to do whatever they want if you do not comply with the lawful command and there are no questions asked. Would like to be doused by a water cannon unit? Tear gas does not work like you are describing. Pepper spray does and yes, if the crowd is showing hostility to the officer then yes, it is reasonable for the officer to do that to make the individual backup. Yes, it is also reasonable for law enforcement to use non-lethal bullets to disperse a crowd, it is a common riot control technique.

They were not ordered to disperse, they were ordered back 3 blocks. They were abiding and moving. So how do you justify that? It was on every major news station, how could you not have seen it? So if a commanding police officer says to shoot someone they should follow that order? The Secret service in their written incident report said that was not true. They stated that they had never been been warned, were following instructions and were pepper gassed anyway. Military personnel have spoken out against it. There is a lot of footage because the news teams were in with that crowd, They saw nothing being thrown, they retrieved the canisters that were thrown. They had Absolutely no right to attack American citizens like that.

Vol, you still don’t get it. Those protesters had every right to be there. If it is unconstitutional then they don’t have the right. First, what state of emergency? You mean the one that expired in May? DC does not have a declared state of emergency. The only thing imposed by DC was a curfew. France, it’s like we are in a banana republic now. Tear gas and pepper spray have the same effect, check the CDC website. NOBODY was showing any hostility, you need to get all the facts and stop saying that, it is not true.

Let’s see, are we to believe the media that has been lying to us for the past 4 years or a Park Police official on the scene?

Pual--I would take the statement of the United States Park Police incident commander on the scene of the activity.

Pual, or you could take the word of the secret service who wrote in their incident report that the protesters were not warned and they were pushed back using pepper balls, rubber bullets and shields. If your tired of lies stop watching fox.

Vol, find that statement, Until then I believe the secret service.

AG--I don't have to find the statement. The U.S. Park Police spokesperson told you what the incident commander stated. It still doesn't excuse the failure of protesters to follow lawful commands of the police. Is it that hard to do? You want to protest, fine, but follow the lawful commands and police will not use lawful riot control techniques. As I have said previously, you should thank your stars that this is not Europe where water cannons would have made you move or face being clobbered by riot police who have the legal authority to do practically anything that is required to make you disperse.

Vol, accept it, The U.S. Park Police spokesperson told you what the incident commander stated, and the commander lied. Don’t tell people who to follow if those they are going to follow are going to lie about it anyway, hypocritical. If you can no longer trust law enforcement in this country who can you trust? We have the worse leadership the country has ever seen and he is spreading it down through the ranks. Screw the oaths they took when they took their positions, those are out the window. We now have a president that referred to the peaceful protesters who were forcibly dispersed from a park near the White House on Monday evening as "terrorists." Air Force veteran Jennifer Dane. "Promoting a letter that labels American citizens peacefully exercising their First Amendment rights as 'terrorists' is an egregious breach of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Now more than ever, it is absolutely crucial that Trump be held accountable for his reckless actions." Mattis released a statement Wednesday cautioning that the US "must reject any thinking of our cities as a 'battlespace' that our uniformed military is called upon to 'dominate.' " “I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled,” Mattis writes. “The words ‘Equal Justice Under Law’ are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.” He goes on, “We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution.” He is just one of the Generals speaking out. People are reigning from positions in the white house because they won’t go along with trumps unethical actions. This isn’t about just what the rules of conduct are.

Liberals set, fires and then blame the firemen.

Liberals yell fire in the theater then shutdown speech by those that complain.

You go away fool.

Da Comrade Guest! Give me a break. Can you prove that individual is a Russian Troll? No.

Are you one of those conspiracy theory people?

Pual, what is wrong with you? Liberals weren't setting fires, they weren't yelling in a theater or shutting down anyone speech. The problem is that any time you don't like something you blame it on liberals, wake up and smell reality.

Yes, Trump runs Minnesota Police Department. Putting science in your name, while increasing your smugness, doesn't actually add intellectual depth to your comments. It may appear that way on Twitter or Facebook where you have culled ideas you don't like, but this world is not so black and white.

What. a farce! Liberal radicals riot with the support, appeasement and policies of liberal politicians and you have the gall to blame the guy standing u for law and order.

Liberals set fires and then blame the firemen.

Actually, I do believe that State Governors do play a role in effectively keeping the peace within the boundaries of their states. There are Democrats who hold those offices and should be held accountable too if they fail to do what their offices requires. But, hey, let's ignore that because it isn't the rage of the day. BTW, unless the President uses his authority under the Insurrection Act, the Federal response is not that big as the Posse Comitas Act prohibits military performing police functions. So, there really can't be a "massive Federal response" as law enforcement in cities/counties typically falls on state/local government to do.

Pual, again with blaming liberal, oh this time it's liberal radicals, for anything you don't like. Go ask them if they are liberal.

How witty AG

Don’t strain yourself

Poor Pual, I would never strain myself over the likes of you.

You are trying way too hard and the quality of your posts suffer....but I enjoy fiction.

for you they suck. Lighten up, be truthful and they won't.

AG, well that doesn't matter now does it? The electoral college made the determination that Donald Trump won the election. How do you know that? Using the same "realistic" poll data that showed Hillary Clinton as the "winner". Really, I heard from my family in WI that they were tied so nice try on the toss-up argument.

Ah but it does. The people of the US deserve to have representation. He may have stolen the vote this time but that won't happen again. He is already making excuses for himself losing the next election, talking trash as usual about voter fraud, even though his own commission couldn't find any.

AG, the electoral system works and it did work in the 2016 election. Let's face some facts. Hillary Clinton falsely assumed that she was going to win WI. She didn't even bother to put up much of a campaign there. She did that with the other key states too. Why? She falsely assumed that she "had it in the bag" and failed to campaign. Calling people "deplorables" also didn't resonate well in WI or those other key states she lost. Ah but saying that Trump stole votes is nice political cover for the Clinton campaign's inability to campaign in the Midwest (or "flyover country" that the liberal elites like to paint it)) and other states. As for Trump and 2020 campaign, we'll see.

Good God, Man, Churchill was an anti-fascist. Remember Herr Hitler? WWII. Step away from the keyboard and go over and read your AARP journal. No more comments for a while.

BLT. Gee, thanks for the history lesson. I know that Churchill was an anti-fascist.

Good God, Man, Churchill was an anti-fascist. That wasn't the point however my point must be a little more sophisticated than you can comprehend, no? I am well aware of WWII and who the leader of Nazi Germany and don't need you to remind me of it. Thanks. Like blanket characterizations? How do you know what my age is? But that's okay to commit slander by making disparaging comments about the elderly (ref: AARP journal). I hate to break it to you but this is America and I will do whatever I feel like and you don't have the right to tell me otherwise. Who appointed you the LTM website monitor? Nobody.

nit picking again. He lost the popular vote, he probably cheated to get the electoral college. That will be one of the first things to go next November.

They are only now named a terrorist group because of trump, he must be afraid of them. He also said they were rioting and yet no one is claiming to be with antifa.

Everyone has a right to protest , when it becomes a riot dc has a law in place

§ 22–1322. Rioting or inciting to riot.

(a) A riot in the District of Columbia is a public disturbance involving an assemblage of 5 or more persons which by tumultuous and violent conduct or the threat thereof creates grave danger of damage or injury to property or persons.

(b) Whoever willfully engages in a riot in the District of Columbia shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than 180 days or a fine of not more than the amount set forth in § 22-3571.01, or both.

(c) Whoever willfully incites or urges other persons to engage in a riot shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than 180 days or a fine of not more than the amount set forth in § 22-3571.01, or both.

(d) If in the course and as a result of a riot a person suffers serious bodily harm or there is property damage in excess of $5,000, every person who willfully incited or urged others to engage in the riot shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than 10 years or a fine of not more than the amount set forth in § 22-3571.01, or both.

i think the legitimate protesters should use better judgement and use tactics that don’t encourage rioting. Yes they may a right to protest, but it is not always the right thing to do. How many ethnic and racial minorities have successfully assimilated in this country despite brutal discrimination? How many have resorted to demonstrating and rioting, calling others racist?

The images of blacks looting and violence isn’t helping them.

AG, the Government, under a state emergency actually can suspend rights and freedoms under the Constitution such as the right to habeas corpus. Further, the First Amendment (the right to peacefully assemble") can be suspended by the Government. In those cases, law enforcement can break up gatherings that are either (1) violent or (2) raise a clear and present danger of violence. (Cantwell vs. State of Connecticut (310 US 296 (1940)) The Government can also set rules on where, when, and how public protests as long as those restrictions are reasonable. As long as the curfews are reasonable, they can impose them and enforce them.

Then maintain course. But I gotta tell you, your Liberal cohorts also posting comments must absolutely cringe when they see another comment from you or Ms. WHO, because you continue to make my point. Calling you ignorant would be wrong, besides you demonstrate that very well. Keep up the good work!

ScottVA you're still here? C'mon. Do I need to remind you again why this is going on? THE WHOLE WORLD'S WATCHING! THE WHOLE WORLD'S PROTESTING. We are tired of people like you. You are a dust mite.

Guest--gee I thought the point of protesting was for social change not telling certain people that they cannot voice their opinion. BTW, the whole world is not protesting. I don't see parts of Europe/Latin and South America/Asia/Africa participating or "watching". Give me a break. Like making juvenile name calling statements? Really awe inspiring and motivating, not!

Hey Voltron. Is this how you justify your existence? You are dust mite numbers. As in dust mite excrement

Guest--The Voltron reference is real cute. Spend a little too much time watching Cartoon Network and reading anime, do we? I don't have to justify my existence to you or anyone else. Do you have any proof that support that I am in the "dust mite".

You don't know, I might be in the 1% club and commenting on this post is a form of recreation. That last statement is juvenile and not worth a retort.

Scott, grow up and address people by the name they chose. Stop with the thirds grade tactics. Oh, and the name calling, especially when you can’t come up with a comeback, suddenly everyone else is ignorant because you can’t respond.

Vol, saying you are tired of listening to someone is NOT telling certain people that they cannot voice their opinion. Stick to facts and not made up exaggerations. You don’t see because you didn’t look. The UK, thousands of people marched through London on Sunday to support the demonstrations in the U.S. sparked by Floyd's death. Starting at Trafalgar Square and moving through the city to the U.S. Embassy, British demonstrators chanted slogans including "I can't breathe," and "Black Lives Matter." China state broadcaster CCTV Saturday described the violence between police and protesters in the U.S. as a "cup of bitter wine distilled by the U.S. politicians themselves." Racism, the commentary said, is the "darkest shadow on American history and the scar that will not heal." New Zealand; Several thousand people marched Monday in New Zealand's largest city, Auckland, to protest George Floyd's death and show solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement. Australia The rally was presented as a peaceful protest against the overrepresentation of indigenous Australians in Australia's criminal justice system as well as in solidarity for Floyd who was "brutally and inhumanly murdered." Thousands of protesters are expected at similar rallies planned for the Australian cities of Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide on Saturday. It made the news in Iran. Brazil; Hundreds of people protested crimes committed by the police against black people in Rio de Janeiro's working-class neighborhoods, known as favelas. Police used tear gas to disperse them, with some demonstrators saying "I can't breathe," repeating Floyd's own words.

AG, I did not say that people cannot voice their opinion, now did I? Prove me to the contrary. I am sticking to facts, thanks. Did every country in Europe/Asia/Latin America participate in demonstrations? No, therefore when I said "parts" I was right. I watch international news/business programming so I do look. That statement is presumptuous that I don't.

Vol, that is not what I said, reread the sentence. I said - saying you are tired of listening to someone is NOT telling certain people that they cannot voice their opinion. In response to you saying --gee I thought the point of protesting was for social change not telling certain people that they cannot voice their opinion. Understand? Every country, who knows there are probably countries that we have never even heard of. You also don’t know what those other “parts” are doing do you? If you feel that strongly about being right, please do. If you are watching all that so much can you give countries that haven’t watched what is going on, and how you know they didn’t watch?

AG, the statement speaks for itself..." I thought the point of protesting was for social change not telling certain people that they cannot voice their opinion." That sentence structure is clear enough to understand the intent behind. The point of protesting is for social change, provided it is lawful. No? Appreciate the condesending tone (Understand?). No, the point was that not every part of the world is demonstrating. You pointed out specific examples but, for example, Europe is more than France, Germany even UK (although removed by BREXIT). As for Asia/Latin America/Africa, how about South Africa, Zimbabwe, Tunisia, Morocco, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Egypt, Russia, Sweden, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Norway, Thailand, Malaysia, Japan, Myanmar, Colombia, Belize, Dominican Republic, Ecuador?

Sorry your gal lost, but it's gonna be a long five years for you.

Speaking of racism... "If you have a problem figuring out if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black" - Joe Biden, May 22, 2020

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” - Joe Biden, January 2007

Hilarious! Biden is Obama's Vice President for EIGHT YEARS and couldn't get his endorsement until there was no other choice. The slow motion DNC train wreck continues. Maybe you should quit while you're behind.

Let's, terrible comeback. And you know what Biden can do that trump never would ever do in his entire life? He will admit when he is wrong and apologize.

Lets, there isn’t a chance in hades that trump will be re-elected after these last 2 crises. He killed off a lot of the older population that carried him in places like Michigan. He will probably lose a lot of the religious votes from his stunt yesterday. The republican leaders aren’t as afraid of him as they used to be. Some don’t even want his endorsement. You would think that trump was running against Obama with all the comparisons and lies he throws out on a regular basis

Biden has had a lot more practice being wrong and apologizing.

Shameful isn't it since trump has been wrong so many more times than Biden.

@Moron - Here you go again, you know absolutely nothing about what you try to speak. Where have you been for the past 4 years? You're trying to make a point about a guy, George Will, that has NEVER had MAGA credentials, he has been against Trump from the beginning and thank God because he has been wrong at every turn. So if you think George Will's contempt is anything new, then you're stuck further back in time than I thought.

@Moron

Seems like malignant buffon comes easily to you.......wonder why/

scott, there is no one posting here @moron. In fact that is for tweeting you'd have to be a moron not to know that.

Yes I do blame the liberals and you in particular for aiding and abetting riots.

Pual you blame is misplaced. Most of the actual protester were gone before night fall. If you think it was only liberals that were there you are very wrong. It was about social justice not politics, there were all kinds of people there. It is not the job of the protesters to stop any other group especially if it would endanger them. How were they aiding and abetting riots? They were peaceful protesters.

AG, so then it is acceptable to create a wealth redistribution scheme in order to pay for an act that the Government may or may not (it hasn't been proven). You want to pay more taxes? That is not acceptable. That is also a good way for the USA to lose incoming revenue as those people who have the resources would leave and take their capital to other parts of the world. Companies would move too as it would not be economically advantageous to maintain operations here. Keep increasing taxes, and that scenario will happen. From an economic perspective, manual labor is not slavery as they are paid wages for work performed.

Vol, use some imagination. Not wealth distribution scheme but fairness. Make sure the minimum wage is a living salary. Stop giving all the tax breaks to the wealthy and give it to the everyday worker. Make sure that all businesses pay overtime to hourly workers. There are many things that can be done. Do you think it fair that companies that make millions and billions every year don’t pay their hare of taxes? Those people who have left are gone. They should have to pay taxes on any business ventures they have within US borders. Cruise lines that want US bailouts should not get them if they are flying under another flag, but they got them. If they want bailouts, they should have paid taxes. Why does our tax money go to bailing out those companies?

AG, I can use my imagination, thank you for your concern...No, the proposed reparation tax concept is a wealth distribution scheme and socialism. You are taking away money from people who legitimately earned it and allowing the Government to redistribute it across the entire social society. That meets the economic definition of socialism in that everyone is equal and those societies redistribute the wealth. Companies that are making millions and billions every year are doing so by selling products/services that the public is willing to pay for. Do you want the Government to run them? That is a core tenet of socialism too. The reason that those companies do not pay tax is that the tax code allows them to have deductions and they are legally taking them. If you don't like that, look at/talk to the political class, both Democrat/Republican, who have allowed the loopholes. Well, if you go down this proposed approach, you will see more people leaving and they will take their businesses with them. Those actions will result in layoffs and additional government costs (unemployment insurance). As for the cruise lines, they, if they indeed got them (I haven't seen anything on CNBC/Bloomberg that says that they did), got them because they employ people in the USA and, due to COVID-19, they may have had to file for bankruptcy since passenger volume would be significantly impacted. Personally, I have no problem with the use of economic/corporate Darwinism and letting financially unsustainable industries/companies go bankrupt. That would allow the successful firms to acquire them. However, the political class/liberal elites would not like that as that would require massive layoffs of redundant people. That's an unnecessary cost expense and companies should eliminate them.

You won't be singing that tune when you have to do your taxes and they have gone through the roof due to the efforts to "rectify" social injustice.

Buy Nike stock

They shouldn't have to make the working Joe cover it, they should stop giving the rich all the tax breaks. That's my tune.

AG, if you are so concerned about the tax code, you need to talk to the political class that developed the tax loopholes. Also, everyone, including you, will be required to pay it as the Government will not differentiate between groups in tax collection/compliance enforcement.

Guest--Not a bad idea. Thx.

Hey AG the top 10% pay 70% of federal income taxes.

The bottom 90% only pay 30% of federal taxes.

Some tax break for the rich!

Reparations is another socialist scheme.

Pual, that really shows income inequality. They are still getting huge tax breaks, now try it with corporations not people. The top 1% make more money than the bottom 90%. so they should carry the burden of higher taxes.

Vol, first please stop saying things like ‘if you are so concerned about’, it is my opinion. It was trump that gave the rich the huge tax breaks with his tax policy. The latter won’t happen.

AG--the last time that I checked this is the USA and I will communicate however I see fit and will use whatever diction such as things like ‘if you are so concerned about’ whenever it is appropriate. That is my right. You have no right to correct people's communication methods because they don't suit you. That is a sign of a liberal elitist.

Fine Voltaire, you talk how ever you see fit about what I think because you know so much about it. Last time you looked it was the USA, and it was democratic. It may not be for much longer, enjoy those rights while you have them. As you can see there are lots of Americans that are losing that right. That is a sign of fascism.

There were many, Jeanne T. They don't feed the narrative that uppity agitators are making a mess out of our nice little world but those peaceful protests did and continue to happen. Turns out there are many here among us who think there's something to this "black people aren't treated the same as white people" thing and we think it's worth some effort to try to help fix that.

Jeanne, dont be that person. Dont feign ignorance of the fact that peaceful protests have occurred across the country. I wish to think you were raised better.

You are wrong here. In a pandemic or ANY national emergency it is the responsibility of the federal government (of the people, by the people, for the people) to protect all within the land. By your comment you belittle the reach of the federal government and effectively dilute your own vote and extinguish your voice. Stop peddling misinformation, please.

I don't think that MR6 understands how the responsibilities of the States and the Federal government are divided and distributed. In fact, I KNOW that to be the case.

MR6--no, your argument is wrong on multiple levels. This is the United States of America and a Federalist Republic. As such, the Federal Government, unlike central governments found in Europe, does not have the ability to unilaterally intervene in all matters big or small. For example, in the instance of a public health emergency, it is the responsibility of the state/local government to handle the mitigation of the pathogen. The Federal Government is there only to provide guidance, through the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and appropriate logistic support. That is basic SOP for public health emergencies. The Federal Government cannot just unilaterally become involved in a matter that is the responsibility of the state/local governments as that would violate the U.S. Constitution. Also, the Federal Government becomes involved in natural disasters under the authority of the Stafford Act and that happens only when (1) a formal declaration asking for Federal help (Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)) is enacted or (2) requested by the Governor of the State. In cases of civil disorder, the Federal Government, notably military, cannot intervene due to the Posse Comitas Act. The military becomes involved in police actions only if the State Governor requests National Guard assistance or the President can enact the Insurrection Act. No, I am not belitting the role of the Federal Government however it cannot be "everything to everyone". The Constitution also says anything that is not delineated in the document falls under the control of the State Government. The separation of power/responsibility and checks in balances are in there for a reason. How does the fact that the Federal Government cannot do everything for everyone impact my voice and vote? The answer is it doesn't The assumption is simply wrong and a civics lesson would be encouraged. Since I am not "peddling misinformation" your claim is false. Further, I am allowed under this Federalist Republic to say whatever I want and whenever I want to. Get over it.

Vol, wrong, once trump declared a National Emergency under the National Emergencies Act to waive U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) regulations and any federal regulation necessary to expedite public health preparedness and response, also authorized a FEMA Emergency for all states, territories and tribes to support funding of emergency protective measures and provide direct federal assistance. This was not a Stafford Act emergency, but a declared National emergency. The HHS secretary now has the authority to temporarily waive or modify certain requirements. This includes the Medicare, Medicaid, and State Children’s Health Insurance programs and the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act Privacy Rule throughout the duration of the public health emergency. HHS is responsible for coordinating government agencies (CDC, FDA, asst secretary for preparedness and response), private sector, (labs mostly). Trump tried to push it off, even had wording changed on the FEMA site about the national stockpile, but that doesn’t change the structure.

Were the people directed by law enforcement to go to or stay in certain areas for the protest? That would take priority. Who said ALL police use of force incidents are "horrific police crime"? Undue use of force is a horrific crime but that doesn’t mean that all police do it. Our BOS member should be commended for supporting equal rights. They were outdoors. Executive Order 63 requires Virginians to wear face coverings in public indoor settings to help contain the spread of COVID-19. The section on social distancing says; Maintain distance of approximately 6 feet from others when possible.

Why worry about where Covid started, worry about where it is.

Ace, you know not. Check it out on the Govt web site.

AG, no, actually I am correct, there was a formal executed declaration (National Emergencies Act) and thereby the Federal Government was allowed to do what was identified in your posting. The reference to the Stafford Act was to discuss the Federal Government's role in natural disasters.

As to the reference of "horrific police crime", I asked the question of how you can characterize all use of force like that. Apparently, my answer that you can't paint it all that way is correct. Did the BOS Chairperson encourage people to stay 6' apart? Those photos showed that was not the case and showed them with constituents that clearly were not 6' apart so they both were non-compliance with the EO based on the language in the EO. So, they were outdoors. OK, was there a breeze? As medical experts have said, if there is a breeze then the possibility of COVID-19 spread expands greater than 6'. Also, as I stated, the photos show improper wearing of face coverings so the spread of COVID-19 was there as the medical experts have stated that "simple breathing" can possibly spread it.

Vol, yes I know, it was a comparison on how they work. Like I said before if you feeling that you are right is that important to you than feel that way, but you are comparing a national disaster to a state’s response. How did it characterize all use of force, it didn’t, it characterized "horrific police crime", thus the word horrific? Was it the job of the BOS to tell people to stay 6ft apart if the cops were telling them where to be? Does it look like there was enough space for them to be that far apart? As I stated before it is not in the new governors Executive Order 63 . The governor says that wearing a mask is essential to protect others when going into businesses since they are "one of the most vulnerable places." As far as social distancing it is listed under tips: Maintain distance of approximately 6 feet from others when possible

AG, it is not a question about "feeling right". It is about accuracy. If you are going to get into technical terms and concepts then they need to be identified correctly. I compared the role of the Federal Government in various scenarios (use of military in civil unrest/Federal Government/State Government role in public health emergency and Federal Government role in natural disaster). All three scenarios outlined are correct. A poster used the term "horrific police crime." The poster was referring to George Floyd which is a use of force item. So, my initial question of asking how you can say all police of force incidents are horrific police crime is germane. So, actually it is the job of the local government to support the Governor's Executive Order on social distancing/mask wearing and included telling people to stay 6 feet apart. The police telling where they stand does not excuse the elected local officials duty to support the Governor's order. Based on the photographs in the article, yes, since it appeared that the streets around the courthouse were cordoned off that there was enough space for them to be that far apart? As I stated before it is not in the new governors Executive Order 63 . The governor says that wearing a mask is essential to protect others when going into businesses since they are "one of the most vulnerable places." The medical experts say that mask wearing is important outside in addition to inside. Based on those photos, people were not properly wearing masks. Was there a breeze? If there was a breeze, it is possible that the virus would have a greater geographic area to contaminate as people were too close together, not wearing masks correctly.

Vol, if it was about accuracy you would have gotten all the facts. Too much post and all the same old BS, not worth my time.

A murdered black cop doesn't count on their scoreboard. Which underscores your "Spare us your false outrage" comment.

"That wasn't a real black cop, we know better than him!"

Hard to listen to you talking about compassion, it doesn't feel real

AG, a tad judgmental no? How do you know if pual is compassionate or not? Can you look into his heart and make that determination? No.

Vol, NO, not a tad judgmental at all, we have had a back and forth for a long long time. I don't have to look into his heart he wears it on his sleeve,.

Does the presence of "Black Power" within the activities of the BLM dilute the message? Does violence and property damage dilute the message? I wonder if the people gathered in Leesburg knew (or cared) that they were shoulder to shoulder with others who hold anti-white viewpoints? The signs and hand gestures tell the story, one simply has to open their eyes to see it and read it.

Stop your virtue signaling.

If those promoting "Black Lives Matter" were really concerned about our black brothers and sisters, they wouldn't be out rioting and destroying black and minority-owned businesses and other establishments that minorities depend on for everyday living. BLM is a slogan that now means nothing. And we don't need slogans.

There is only one race, and that is the human race.

DavisB

It’s tough to dilute the BLM message that’s made of vapor and lies. Michael Brown assaulted a cop and paid the ultimates price. Cops in the Freddie Gray death in Balt were found not guilty.

Keep crying wolf until the real wolf eats you and people stop paying attention.

Floyd died and shouldn’t have. This is a case for prosecution for murder not a justification for reparations.

Dilute the BLM message? They were given $100m a few years back, if they can't get their act together and make their message more coherent and stronger without violence, destruction, and racism then they deserve to fall. When was the last time you read in the news about a white supremacist group receiving a $100m donation, heck a $100k donation. My point exactly. Spend some time, review BLM, New Black Panthers, the Black Panthers and white supremacists' mission statements and objectives on their websites and you'll see they have more in common than not.

amerigirl May 28, 2020 4:23pm

Vol, if that talk prevents more suffering for people like you dad then they should talk. If it convinces even 1 person who could be spreading the virus to wear a mask it is worth it. All lives matter, young and old and people should respect that enough to take precautionary measures to protect others form sickness or death.

MAGA, you may want to read up on your history a little. There were more actors involved in slave trade than just colonists in Virginia. There were European traders (Dutch) and the chiefs of tribes in Africa who helped in it too.

MAGA Moron is right. Our proud state introduced slavery to America. From the 1619 Project: "In August of 1619, a ship appeared on this horizon, near Point Comfort, a coastal port in the English colony of Virginia. It carried more than 20 enslaved Africans, who were sold to the colonists." You can bring in other actors, Mr. V, but they didn't buy the first slaves in America. Virginians did. And from the comments I read here, many still have problems treating Black Americans like anyone else.

Fix that Voltaire Guy's Know it All Syndrome--cute, so you know it then, no? No, MAGA is not correct. BTW, there has been historical debate about the historical "accuracy of the 1619 Project as many historians have pointed out that Project 1619 is attempting revise history for political purposes. I hate to break it to you but you have bring other actors into this slavery, including the chiefs in Africa who sold their people to the Dutch who then sold them here. BTW, Virginia is not a state but a Commonwealth so a geography refresher might be needed.

True too.

"Right wing radicals" are responsible? I suggest you see one of Loudoun's very good opthamologists.

CindyLou, did you get a new job as the Hypocrats' propagandist-in-chief? There are no right-wing protesters. None.

POTUS Trump has done more for the minority community than any president in history. By bolstering the economy, the minority unemployment rates hit their LOWEST rate in history. Let me repeat. When everyone has always said minorities need jobs, Trump brough the minority unemployment rate to the lowest in history even lower than the 1990s boom years!!! You should be down on one knee praising Trump.

What are the media not showing? Data that shows police killings are down. Data that shows minorities are NOT disproportionately affected by police killings (more whites are killed). Data that shows blacks are overwhlemingly at risk from their own neighbors as they are 22x more likely to be killed by another black male than a cop and are 8x more likely to be killed by a black male than a white male is to be killed.

Get a clue. Will you ever take that advice?

Get help! Go outside! It's clear from your postings that you live on Twitter/the internet and probably have tin foil as an element of your wardrobe.

CindyWHO - How do you come up with this stuff? I know it's not from reading. Any Right-Wing Radicals I've ever seen dont cover their face, dont loot and rob and set fires. That's called ANTIFA CindyWHO. You really aren't worth a response, but someone has to guide you because you continually make yourself look ridiculous.

There you go again, CindyLou.

CindyLou. I hate to break it to you but there were more type of of individuals who voted for Donald Trump than just "right wing radicals". Some of those individuals were registered Democrats. Shocking, isn't it?! Maybe if you liberal elitists would shown people in WI and other key states some respect you might have had a better shot. Calling people in those states "deplorables" showed just how elitist you lot really are.

Excellent bit of whataboutism. Of course there are thousands of very good policemen across America. No one said there wasn't. People are talking about the over-militarized culture of today's police forces and the propensity they seem to have for applying that force to communities of color. Sure, that's where a lot of crime happens but that might have something to do with larger social issues that you're ignoring coming from France and all...

MAGA, you are correct that there are thousands of very good law enforcement officers across America. Actually, by paintbrushing them all as racist and violent, which a large swath of posters here are doing, you are showing no consideration for the good ones. Given the environment that law enforcement is required to police nowadays, in both urban and rural areas, law enforcement need that equipment to combat the type of behavior that is occurring in these cities. BTW, they don't target "communities of color" with it. It is used for extreme situations such as civil unrest.

Sure, there are sociological issues but that is not the responsibility of law enforcement. The "larger social issues" are the issues that the political class should be working on but they aren't. Maybe you should ask them that? Also, in Europe, they would have not tolerated this at all. You mention France, ever hear of the CRG? They are elite riot troops that have carte blanche authority to use whatever methods (including force) to stop rioting. They also have military equipment and water cannons which are quite effective too. Maybe we should add those to the "over militarized" police and that would help quell this nonsense.

Although I agree with the premise of the posting and the underlying sentiment about caring/pulling together, the article also shows hypocrisy in action too. Those photos show no social distancing being done. Wearing a mask alone does NOT stop the spread of COVID-19. You have to comply with ALL social distancing requirements and that wasn't done. Masks may have been present/on but the photos show that a lot of individuals were not wearing them correctly. So, in good probability that gathering may have allowed the virus to spread.

Wrong. America is collapsing because you have a society that either does want to or doesn't understand the concept of individual responsibility. You have a political class (both Democrat/Republican) more interested in retaining power than governing. You have radical elements (both Republican/Democrat) who will not tolerate dissenting views and will not work to compromise. You have Government overreach due to people abdicating their responsibilities to it. This is the not the type of country/society that the Founding Fathers envisioned.

Do you get your news feeds from Archie and Jughead? Do you even know what fascist means or did you mean fashionist? CindyWHO, you've cracked it wide open "old mean white people". Let's remove all white people from America and see if you get your government subsidies. With all, that's going on in the world today it's so easy to become bitter and negative. When I need to lift my spirits and laugh, I can always count on your comments CindyWHO! Thanks!

I am saying there is hardly a problem.

We have FAR MORE sexual assaults by teachers in public schools than we have police abusing their authority.

As seen by the rioting and looting, there needs to be stronger policing of these communities, not less.

Trump brought the minority unemployment rate to its lowest in history. These protestors need to be on their knees giving thanks to Trump as opposed to causing needless damage.

JKE, Scott, VA SGP all say there is not problem

Apparently not. I saw on CNBC this morning, that the founder of BET thinks that everyone should pay a tax for "settlement" of grievances against slavery that occurred in the 1600s. That is simply nonsense.

KK 153 I am referring to people accusing others of “white privilege” as a way to scapegoat others for there own problems. These protests are organized by people that have bought in to the idea that they are victims and others are to blame for their problems. It’s been 4 or 5 generations since slavery ended. My ancestors were not in the US at that time. I owe BLM or Robert Johnson zero.

What about the five cops CindiLou? If they participated in Floyds death they should be prosecuted.

What about the police and secret service agents injured and killed in the riots?

What about the businesses and jobs destroyed by the rioters?

What about then property and neighborhoods destroyed?

You seem to have very selective outrage.

More false outrage from a liberal as America burns because of liberal lies and racial divisions.

Good grief, sir. Of course I know what happened. Stop it already.

DavisB--Do you? Has there been a definitive conclusion other than that he was confirmed dead at the scene of the initial arrest? The answer is no as this matter hasn't been adjudicated in a court of law and no verdict rendered.

VOLTAIRE - being found guilty in a court and being guilty are not the same thing - but you know this are attempting to deflect the conversation - be part of the solution, not the problem

DavisB--I agree that "being found guilty in a court and being guilty are not the same thing". I am not deflecting anything. The one that matters is the court of law. This is a nation of laws and everyone, whether you agree or not is immaterial, has a right to due process. You say be part of the solution not the problem. So, promoting street justice/vigilantism is the right answer? No, it isn't so don't lecture me on what I should or should be doing....

Davis B do you know about the black cop killed in Oakland by rioters?

Do you know about the 16 dead in Chicago over the weekend, mostly black-on black violence?

Where’s the outrage, hypocrite?

what the …. are you talking about ?

I guess when you thrive on victim hood you need a villain . Glad I’m not in your warped little world.

Hardly Trump's fault. Geez, he promoted parole reform and has worked to improve job opportunities in minority communities. Lowest unemployment in 40 plus years before the virus.

At least you're starting to recognize that you're no good either. You're one of the most divisive participants on this site from someone who has been reading this comments for years.

Knock it off, DavisB. No one here is promoting hate.

Can you show anything in scottva's post that supports the premise that the post is hate? That's argument is weak.

Jeanne - are you serious? "no one is promoting hate"???? Have you not read the comments here?

Sorry I want by https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leesburg,_Virginia

Good point pual.

It WAS a point then. But again...wallowing in the past not fixing the future.

Oldbroad. Your point about the Boston Tea Party is right. On a similar vein, everyone, even enemy combatants are entitled to due process in this country. The Royal Army Officer in Command of the British Forces who committed the Boston Massacre received due process and was represented by, I believe, John Adams. So, the principle of due process applies here with the Minneapolis police officers too.

Funny how Trump destroyed our nation in 4 short years. He handled COVID-19 perfectly so the proud parent here can divert. He incites racism and violence so the proud parent can cyber thug with her chest out. #MAGA.

LOL!

EVERYTHING was left alone.

Add to that Nike's high priced spokesman (Kaepernick) is encouraging this activity.

hmmmm, I only see pictures of white Republicans dressed in black doing all the damage. Go away, your not welcome as a Guest here anymore.

CindyLou. Wow. Congratulations on your appointment as the LTM website censor/monitor! Incredible doesn't begin to cut it....

By privileged you're clearly referring to white people. I'd love to turn this all around, have a civil discussion but I am not "allowed" to express my thoughts on the subject because I'm white and I don't know what its like to be black. So there the discussion ends. However, I do know what it's like to be white and for our family to be labeled racists because of the color of our skin. If we were involved in any of these incidents, fine but we are guilty just because we're white. Isn't that the very definition of racism and hypocrisy?

Your last sentence is big, bold and certainly challenging, however, I find it ironic you're asking people to provide their real name when you post this comment as "Guest". Good grief.

The bottom line here is that the officer "alleged" to have committed murder against George Floyd. The officer has not been tried and determined in a court of law guilt or innocence. Contrary to the court of public opinion, the officer is due due process.

Well stated, ScottVA.

Guest is your real name? pot-kettle.

And who here is justifying what was done? No one. I will guess that if those "privileged commenters" say that what happened was wrong, you would accuse them of being insincere and lying, and unless they join a protest they don't really mean what they say. Am I right?

Yes, we know what happened. It was horrible. No one is denying that. It isn't an excuse to riot, burn, attack police officers, and destroy businesses. When are we going to hear from you that those things are also wrong?

Well we all know where Trump has been. He's commenting as "Guest" on the LTM.

Are you not lowering yourself JT on her high horse?

The Black man that was murdered did not get a day in court for whatever reason he was being detained

Guest. OK, George Floyd was killed, not murdered. An officer is "alleged" to have committed murder but there has been no trial and determination of guilt or innocence in a court of law. I know that the court of public opinion, this individual was found guilty immediately and that was that. No, that is not how due process works in this country. Since Mr. Floyd died at the scene of the arrest, there would be no need for him to get a day in court.